yast2-live-installer has been deprecated -- now what?

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sb56637
Hi everyone,

Well here's some bad news:

https://github.com/yast/yast-live-installer
> The Live CD installer is not used anymore, the openSUSE Live installation now runs standard full installtion.

yast2-live-installer has been completely deprecated, and has been removed from the openSUSE Factory OBS.

This is a major issue for those of us who need to install the SuseStudio live images. For now, the yast2-live-installer still works, although it requires replacing the /etc/YaST2/control.xml with this modified version:
https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8912561
I'm worried that at some point it will completely break as Tumbleweed continues to evolve, for example a major Ruby upgrade or something.

This dev is making progress to making Calamares work with openSUSE:
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:Dremor:calamares
It's a nice option to have, but unfortunately it won't come with the niceties of the yast2-live-installer partitioning logic and BtrFS volumes/snapshots setup.

What alternatives exist? Is anybody available to continue to maintain yast2-live-installer?

Thanks.
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sb56637
Update on the situation:
Good news! The Calamares installer can be adapted to work with SuseStudio images:
https://calamares.io/bugs/browse/CAL-397
I will continue to use yast2-live-installer as long as it works, but it's good to know that there is an alternative when yast2-live-installer inevitably becomes incompatible with upstream openSUSE.
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NestorAcevedo
Even is a very bad news.


For some of us who build Live USB is usefull to have a live version
without to have it installed on a hard drive or into the usb.


I will check Calamares for my current usb appliance.


On 27/09/16 11:36, sb56637 wrote:

> Update on the situation:
> Good news! The Calamares installer can be adapted to work with SuseStudio
> images:
> https://calamares.io/bugs/browse/CAL-397
> I will continue to use yast2-live-installer as long as it works, but it's
> good to know that there is an alternative when yast2-live-installer
> inevitably becomes incompatible with upstream openSUSE.
>
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Andreas Jaeger
On 2016-09-27 21:12, Néstor Acevedo wrote:
> Even is a very bad news.
>
>
> For some of us who build Live USB is usefull to have a live version
> without to have it installed on a hard drive or into the usb.

And that continues to be the case.

What is missing is the live-installer - the component that can install a
live version on a hard disk,

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Lietukas
Hi,

In https://lizards.opensuse.org/2016/09/28/highlights-of-yast-development-sprint-25/ we can see section

Some adjustment for the installer in the LiveCDs

One of the good things about working in open source is that sometimes the evolution of the projects you have created can surprise you. Quite some time ago, the YaST team dropped support for the live installer. It was simply too demanding to keep it alive while still doing our regular work (bug fixes and new features for YaST and the regular installer).

Recently the live installer was removed from Tumbleweed, the only system in which it was still available (after having been dropped in the past from stable openSUSE releases). One could have expected that somebody would decide then to step up and take the maintainership of the live installer.

But what actually happened was that Fabian Vogt decided to try a different approach we haven’t considered – adding the standard network installer to the LiveCDs images of Tumbleweed. He managed to make it work well enough and asked us for help to debug some problems. We fixed the initial problems by disabling the self-update functionality in the LiveCDs (it’s simply not designed to work on that scenario).

There are still quite some problems to be resolved to make everything work flawlessly, but if Fabian and others don’t give up, we will keep assisting them in order to bring the installation back to the LiveCDs… even in unexpected ways.


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Newt
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On using Calamares, what options are lost compared to the live installer?  Also, do you have an example appliance using Calamares that you could share?  I'm interested in using Calamares, but I don't want to break the work I have.  Thanks for looking into this.
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sb56637
Hi there Newt,

The only disadvantage in functionality that I can see with using Calamares is that you won't (yet) have advanced automatic shrinking of Windows partitions and it won't automatically configure BrtFS subvolumes with Snapper support. But even that limitation can be worked around by installing to a BtrFS partition and then configuring Snapper later with YaST on the installed system.

A disadvantage that doesn't affect functionality is the amount of KF5* dependencies that Calamares has. It requires about 50MB additional dependencies, mostly from the KF5 framework.

I don't have a Calamares image at the moment, but I'd be glad to create one within a couple of weeks.
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sb56637
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> I'm interested in using Calamares, but I don't want to break the work I have.

Also, you can just take one of your existing live images, boot it up, and then add the Calamares repo and install Calamares into the live system. It will work from there to install your live image to the disk.
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Lietukas
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Hi,

At least for openSUSE Leap 42.2 and 42.3, yast2-live-installer still can
work.
Please vote at
https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043228
https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1042559

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nano (Space OS Company)
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I attempted to install Calamares at some point, but it did not work. Can somebody clone my appliance (Space OS) and see which version I can use?
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nano (Space OS Company)
(Version for a Calamares installer)
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Lietukas
In reply to this post by nano (Space OS Company)
2017.06.15 01:18, nano (Space OS Company) rašė:
> I attempted to install Calamares at some point, but it did not work. Can
> somebody clone my appliance (Space OS) and see which version I can use?

Its better if you describe precisely your problem instead of saying "did
not work".

Please try Calamares 3.1.0 version from one of these repositories
home:embar-:calamares
home:sb56637:calamares
See also http://software.opensuse.org/package/calamares

note: you must add full repository for calamares, because without
related dependencies if will not work.

Becides, you can also try mostly fixed yast2-live-installer 3.1.11 from
home:embar-:boo1011147
See http://software.opensuse.org/package/yast2-live-installer
repository. This RPM can be installed without adding repository.

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